Alex Kava talks to Ali Karim of Shots Ezine


Book Jacket, A Perfect Evil

I first discovered Alex Kava back in 2000 when I read an article in George Easterís excellent review journal Deadly Pleasures about her debut novel A Perfect Evil Ė little did I know that this terrifying book would have me up all night. And now we have finally a sequel of sorts Ė A Necessary Evil Ė which has been harvesting great reviews from its recent release in the US. Kava writes about madness and those who are surrounded by insanity, especially her series character, the FBI profiler Maggie Oí Dell.


As I often ponder on the importance fate plays in our lives, I discovered a surreal twist in that Alex Kava took over as head judge for the International Thriller Writers Inc [ITW] Best Thriller Novel committee, which is by coincidence the same ITW committee that I sit on!


Back from her book tour, Alex agreed to tell Shots readers in the UK about her life and work, and if youíve not read her before, be prepared to become an insomniac: her Maggie Oí Dell thrillers are designed to keep you up all night.


Ali        Alex, thanks for taking time out to speak to Shots ezine!


Alex     Itís my pleasure.


Ali        Tell me about the book tour for A Necessary Evil.


Book Jacket, A Necessary Evil Alex     The book tour was eighteen cities in twenty-five days which included twenty-seven bookstores and twenty-six interviews (a combination of TV, radio and print). And yes, itís as exhausting as it sounds, but for me the tours are always as exhilarating as they are exhausting. A Necessary Evil is the fifth Maggie OíDell even though itís actually the sequel to my first novel, A Perfect Evil. It took me three additional Maggies and one stand- alone before I finally gave in to readers and gave them what theyíve been asking for Ė a reunion between Maggie OíDell and Father Michael Keller.


Ali        And what were the high- and low-points of the tour?


Alex     One of the high points of this particular tour was having a sandwich named after me (the Alex Kava Mystery Sandwich) at Vinnyís Deli in Wallingford, CT. I included Vinnyís Deli in At The Stroke Of Madness and recently learned that Vinny put me on his menu as a tribute. So of course I had to include Wallingford on this tour to finally meet Vinny and his whole family.

Low point would definitely be my two-hour drive from Boulder, Colorado to Colorado Springs in the mountains, the middle of the night and during the beginning of a snowstorm Ė just one of the irrational things authors do to get to the next city for a 6:00 a.m. TV interview.


Ali        Can you tell us a little more about this thriller that links the Catholic Church with the internet?


Alex     A Perfect Evil dealt with the issue of young boys being murdered in a brutal but ritualistic manner. That novel was inspired by two real-life crimes that occurred in Nebraska in the 1980s. When I sat down to write A Necessary Evil I knew I wanted to include the real scandals that were plaguing the Catholic Church, but I also wanted to do it from the standpoint of the young victims. I asked myself, what if these young boys who were being abused by priests somehow decided as a group to fight back? How would they fight back? Boys that age are so influenced by the internet and video games. What better avenue for them to meet and ďchatĒ and plot than an internet game; a medieval sort of Dungeons and Dragons in which the motive of the game is to slay the holy man.


Ali        Winding back, can you tell us a little about your childhood?


Alex     My childhood certainly did not include computers or video games, but I did have an insatiable curiosity and a very active imagination.


Ali        Were you a bookish kid?


Alex     I loved books Ė still do Ė but both my parents were children of Polish immigrants whose priority was a strong work ethic. Books were okay as long as they were schoolwork.  You can imagine the excuses I had to come up with during summer vacation if I was caught with a book. Itís probably one of the reasons I hoard books now. I hate even loaning out books. In fact, if I read a book and love it, Iíll sooner buy copies for my friends to read than loan out my copy.


Ali        And I share exactly the same ethos, being the son of immigrants and also hoard my books. What were the early books that prompted an interest to pick up a pen?


Alex     My favourite novel is Harper Leeís To Kill a Mockingbird. Growing up in the countryside of Nebraska, of course I loved Willa Catherís My Antonia. I tended to read books that swept me away, like Mutiny on the Bounty, H.G. Wellsís War of the Worlds and Jack Londonís Call of the Wild. You might notice none of those are crime novels, and I have to admit I didnít read crime or suspense novels until I started writing them. When I wrote A Perfect Evil I was more interested in the panic that transforms a small town and its residents when something unspeakable happens like the murder of two little boys. I honestly had no idea I had written a serial killer novel.


Ali        And schooling?


Alex     When I look back now I think my poor father, who wanted only that I find I good job and a good husband, must have thought I was crazy. Because not only did I get a Bachelorís degree in something as frivolous as art and English but I chose an all womenís college.


Ali        And your professional life was in marketing - can you tell us what that brought to your writing?


Alex     I started my own graphic design firm, Square One, when I was twenty-six years old. I loved the variety which included anything from designing food packages, to writing radio and TV commercials, to doing photo shoots for annual reports. The business grew very quickly and I burned out very quickly. After six years I decided to take a position as director of public relations for one of my clients.


Ali        I read that you turned to full-time writing in 1996. What made you give up the security of a regular paycheck?


Alex     After fifteen years in advertising, marketing and public relations I decided I didnít want to do it anymore. Ever since I was a child I loved writing and making up stories, but I didnít think it was something a person could make a living doing, so I had never pursued it. When I quit my job the summer of 1996 I told myself that it was the perfect opportunity to finally sit down and write a novel while I was trying to figure out what it was I wanted to do with the rest of my life.


Ali        So tell me about how you got A Perfect Evil into print?


Alex     It took me about a year and half to write A Perfect Evil. Now remember I quit my job, so financially I had to give myself a time limit. I decided that if I wasnít published by the time I was forty years old Iíd set it aside and move on. In the meantime my savings account depleted quickly. I maxed out my credit cards and taught part-time. I even delivered the Omaha World Herald. My roof started to leak and even my little red Toyota died in the middle of one of my early Sunday morning newspaper routes. For some reason I persisted. I finished the manuscript, landed an agent and then three days before my fortieth birthday I found myself in Chicago at bookexpo America sitting next to Barbara Kingsolver and signing advance reader copies of A Perfect Evil.


Ali        And where did Maggie Oí Dell spring from?


Alex     Close friends tell me they see bits and pieces of me in Maggie OíDell. Unfortunately, itís the annoying traits such as her hesitation to trust and how stubborn she can be. Maggie is a work in progress. Even after five books in the series I often feel like Iím only now getting to know her.


Ali        Did you think at the time that Maggie would have legs in terms of a series character?


Alex     Oh gosh, no. In fact, I never intended to write a series. Maggie doesnít even enter A Perfect Evil until Chapter Seven. The series truly came about because readers wanted to see more.

Book Jacket, Split Second  

Ali        Then we had Split Second, what is termed that difficult second novel. Did you feel that the pressure was on?


Alex     Looking back, I suppose it really was quite difficult when you consider I had to put aside the novel I was working on (which by the way, is still unfinished) and come up with a follow-up book. The publisherís expectations were tremendous, especially when A Perfect Evil ended up becoming an international bestseller. But Iíd like to believe it only made me work harder. Iíve never admitted this before, and I love A Necessary Evil, but if I had to choose Iíd have to say Split Second is my personal favourite in the series. Maggie is pushed to the edge and the reader gets a true glimpse of her vulnerabilities as much as her strengths. Plus I love the character, Dr James Kernan.


Ali        You have a way with villains such as Albert Stucky. Can you tell me what fascinates us about these monsters?


Alex     More than anything else I think what is intriguing is that they look so much like us. It would be so much easier if they looked like monsters. Instead, too often theyíre the guys sitting next to us answering phones for a volunteer hotline, like Ted Bundy, or the boyish airman Ė John Joubert Ė

            who was also a scoutmaster, or even a church-going family man like Dennis Rader, the BTK killer. Itís as fascinating as it is frightening Ė that we could meet one of these monsters sitting next to us in a cafť and we might never know.


Ali        What is it about the dark subject matter that appeals to you?


Alex     Iím fascinated by good and evil and this idea that if all of us are capable of doing evil what drives some of us to cross that line when the rest of us wouldnít dare? Now, of course, John Philpin, a forensic psychologist whoís become a consultant and a friend, insists that Iím simply ďobsessed with evil.Ē Perhaps heís right because it does seem to be the basis of every one of my novels.


Ali        You published a stand-alone with One False Move Ė what made you leave Maggie Oí Dell behind?


Book Jacket, One False Move Alex     Quite honestly I needed a break, but I also have so many other ideas for novels that donít necessarily fall within Maggieís world. One False Move was a novel I wanted to write for several years. I got the idea while writing at a secluded cabin in the woods and suddenly being caught in the middle of a manhunt. All of my books include bits and pieces of real life crimes but One False Move came from something that hit very close to home.


Ali        What is your take on the way violence is portrayed in thriller fiction?


Alex     I have what Iíd like to believe is a sort of blood-and-guts-meter. If I canít stand to read it I wonít write it. Instead, I try to stay close to the Alfred Hitchcock approach to violence and suspense in my novels. Rather than show each and every gruesome step Iíd rather create the psychological suspense and take my readers right up to the edge then leave them there, because I know my readersí imaginations are much scarier than anything I can put into words. Most of the blood and guts in my books are the aftermath of a murder and part of the criminal investigation.


Ali        In terms of blood-letting have you written anything that you later regretted?


Alex     I regret killing a dog in A Perfect Evil so much so that I made up for it in Split Second by having Maggie rescue one. She ends up keeping Harvey, a white lab, who if nothing else, is a symbol of good and unconditional love in Maggieís otherwise dark world. It made me feel a little better about the poor mutt in A Perfect Evil.


Ali        When Maggie returned in The Soul Catcher did it take much effort to get back into her head?


Alex     No, not at all. If anything it was easier. I was refreshed and ready to get back into Maggieís world.


Ali        What are your publishers like about you writing stand-alones vs Maggie Oí Dell thrillers?


Alex     Theyíve been very supportive. In fact, the novel Iím working on right now is not a Maggie. Itís still a suspense thriller, however, the protagonist isnít even in law enforcement. Sheís a scientist.


Ali        Relationships both good and bad are a theme in your work; can you tell me what it is about relationships that interest you so much?


Alex     Iím interested in how relationships can be shaped, transformed, made stronger or possibly destroyed by circumstances and actions. The whole time Iím developing plot lines for my novels Iím also trying to determine conflicts in the relationships of my characters. So much of who we are is shaped by those we choose to include in our lives.


Ali        The fourth Maggie Oí Dell Thriller At The Stroke Of Madness was a real tour-de-force and showed how a writer can misdirect a reader, especially the ending. Without giving too much away, can you tell us how you plot? Do you have a detailed outline or do you let the muse take you in its arms?

Book Jacket, At The Stroke Of Madness  

Alex     I almost always know what my ending will be before I start. Now how I get there is a different journey each time. Itís funny you should mention At The Stroke Of Madness because I had about three-quarters of the manuscript finished when my editor called to see how it was coming. I was behind on deadline for the first time and even though I knew what my ending would be I had to admit that I didnít know who the killer was at that point. Which may sound odd but what happened was that several characters were beginning to convince even me that they could be the killer. I heard James Lee Burke once say that he purposely doesnít write an outline because if he knows where heís going, chances are his readers will too. I like the idea that my characters can surprise me. Hopefully theyíll surprise my readers, too.


Ali        Your work is full of police procedural detail Ė what research you have to do for each book?


Alex     I do extensive research for two to three months before I even sit down to write. Iím very fortunate to have professionals Ė a deputy prosecutor, an Omaha police detective, an FBI profiler, a crime lab tech, a forensic psychologist and an ER trauma nurse Ė I can call on to help me through some of the details. And sometimes just having lunch with one of them will inspire an entire story line.


Ali        Are you familiar with the work of FBI profiler Robert Ressler?


Alex     Yes, absolutely. A Perfect Evil is loosely inspired by the rampage of serial killer, John Joubert in Nebraska in the early 1980s. Robert Ressler was the profiler of that case. I havenít met him, but I have read his books.


Ali        Some of your work gives me nightmares: do you find that writing about such madness cathartic?


Alex     I never thought of it as such, but I suppose in a way that might be true. I will tell you that some of my worst nightmares have become some of my best chapters.


Ali        Tell me about your readers.  I heard the majority of people who read serial killer fiction are female.


Alex     If I use my website guestbook as a microcosm of my readers I can tell you that about 60% are women. I do have quite a few male readers who come up to me at book signings and tell me that they probably would have never started reading my books if they knew I was a woman, but now theyíre hooked.


Ali        Could you tell me why the Midwest region of America appeals to you in setting your work? And is setting important to you?


Alex     They say ďwrite what you know.Ē I write about serial killers and criminals but Iím pleased to say I donít know any intimately. Growing up in the Midwest is something I know. Nebraska, in particular, is a part of the United States I think few people do know and itís a place so many people have misconceptions about. And yes, I do believe setting is important. The small towns and wide open spaces of Nebraska were an integral part to One False Move just as the quiet rock quarries and winding roads of Connecticut were for At The Stroke Of Madness.


Ali        I know you are a big reader, who do you follow?


Alex     The list continues to grow especially after being able to meet and get to know so many authors. Some of those I follow on a regular basis are Jeffery Deaver, Keith Ablow, Laura Lippman, Lisa Scottoline, Thomas Perry, Jonathon Nasaw, Julia Spencer Fleming.


Ali        We are awaiting Thomas Harrisís Behind The Mask. Can you tell me what you made of Hannibal?


Alex     The Silence Of The Lambs is still one of my all-time favourite novels. Hannibal wasnít necessarily a disappointment for me so much as it just didnít live up to Silence.


Ali        So what is on your reading table currently?


Alex     Thereís always a pile. I just finished Peter Blaunerís The Last Good Day, Joseph Finderís Paranoia and Gregg Hurwitzís The Program. Iím currently reading Julia Spencer Flemingís To Darkness And To Death.


Book Jacket, The Soul Catcher Ali        Tell me how you got involved with the ITW?


Alex     I was actually one of the first group that met at the 2004 Bouchercon in Toronto. That meeting was sort of a clandestine rendezvous to see if there was even enough interest to start a new organisation. Here we are not even two years old and our first anthology is being published in June (which Iím proud to be included in) with our first ever Thrillerfest to follow June 29-July 2. Writers are usually loners by the very nature of our work, but itís been amazing to be a part of an organisation thatís so generous in pulling together and helping each other.


Ali        And the Best Novel judging with James Siegel, Annie Frasier and me?


Alex     I must admit it was one of the more challenging experiences Iíve had in some time, especially when a bit of a controversy made us four instead of five and I somehow ended up as head judge. But I couldnít ask for a better team and Iím very proud to have been part of this inaugural award.


Ali        Now that A Necessary Evil is out, can you tell me what you are planning next?


Alex     I donít like to talk about a book while Iím still in writing mode but I will tell you it is not a Maggie OíDell. Perhaps it may be the beginning of another series - who knows. Itís set in the panhandle of Florida, which has become a new second home for me, and the main character is a scientist.


Ali        I hear youíre coming to Thrillerfest this June in Phoenix Ė can you tell us what your plans are while youíre in the south west?


Alex     Thrillerfest will most likely take up most of my time. I was actually just in Phoenix and Scottsdale in February while on book tour. The Poisoned Pen Bookstore is always on my list of stops.


Ali        Alex, itís been a pleasure! Thank you for your time!


Alex     Thank you, Ali. Iím looking forward to finally meeting you at Thrillerfest.



Book Jacket, A Necessary Evil



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